Heard on the net: Coach's Corner Claims They Left SCD & Were Not Kicked Out.
I'm not buying this story that Coach's Corner Left SCD. I don't know much about advertising but I do know that Coach's Corner had advertised in SCD for years and years.
As much as most of us despise CC, if it were not for their successful advertising in SCD how would we all know of Coach's Corner? They needed SCD and SCD needed them, it was a perfect marriage. Just because SCD started their own auction site why would CC pull out if the advertising was helping them sell the garbage that they sell?
In advertising, you don't stop a successful and working campaign. CC probably makes a high profit since we all suspect that they consign their own garbage so why would they care if SCD set up an auction site that went after a different market by offering items that were authenticated by real authenticators?
CC did not object when Leland's, Robert Edwards, Hunt and all the other quality auction houses advertised in SCD. I think they are just trying to spin this situation to their advantage and it's convenient for them that SCD just started their own auction site and CC could claim this is the reason they are leaving.
I also heard that on the CC website they have stated that they will be using direct mail to promote their auctions. If direct mail was a better advertising method for CC they would have done it years ago, when postage and printing costs were less money. Postage just went up again! Companies like Leland's, Robert Edwards and the others can afford to spend $5 - $15 per catalog for printing the catalogs and mailing them because their items are of such high quality that the 17 - 20 % juice covers the costs of producing and mailing the catalogs. Coach's corner will find out soon enough how expensive it is to mail catalogs and it won't help them acquire new customers. Also, as many of their existing customers find out that they have purchased worthless crap, I'm sure there is a lot of turnover of customers at CC and they need to constantly acquire new clients (naive collectors) to keep up their scam.
My gut feeling is that SCD threw them out first. SCD who has lost major advertisers over their relationship with CC - I know because two advertisers told me. The two advertisers also explained to me that they found that advertising in SCD works and produced desired results. I believe this means that advertising in SCD even works for CC.
Others have said that CC also claimed they were scaling back and advertising in SCD even less. That does not make sense to me. We have heard for a while that SCD was going into the auction business and I know it was not that long ago that CC had their full-blown auction advertisements and "paid" auction story (the crap that looks like scd coverage but has the small "paid advertising" notice above the story.
SCD, when the dust settles, I am counting on you to join our fight against CC and helping to rid the hobby of this garbage.
If SCD does not join the fight, you can bet I will be back putting the heat on them too.
posted by Mike the ring guy. at
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From my perspective, Lee at Coach's Corner has clearly threatened you physically and publicly. (See his comment about Scott and Biggie's Place on the 6/13 blog.) Coach's Corner has crossed a line that's extremely disturbing. This goes beyond fake autographs.
An earlier poster here told about a confrontation he had in his own driveway with two of Coach's thugs a few years back. You may want to watch your back, Mike. It's obvious that Coach's Corner is not only a criminal organization, but likely a violent one as well. I would contact the authorities if I were you and get this on record.
Thanks for the warning I appreciate it.
I am not toally 100% positive that Lee threatened me, it could be someone posing as Lee.
I agree with everything you said. I contacted the local police where CC is located and I took the time to learn as much about Scott and Lee as I possibly could. I learned a lot about these two, I even know where Scott plays golf!
Boy, these two are living the good life, country clubs and superbowl trips. Nice to know they are doing so well, spending other's hard earned money.
I have let some people know that if anything happens to me they are to provide documentation to my local police and to the ones near CC.
I believe since I threathend them with going to the police I have not heard a peep from them.
I have other ideas and ways to protect myself but I would rather not elaborate at this time.
thanks for your concern,
I just want to clear up what I just wrote. I'm no physco and I don't plan on doing anything with the informatioin I have. I would perfer to leave the owners of CC alone if they will leave me alone. I just want to continue to alert the collecting community and keep them informed of what is happening in our hobby. Hopefully, I will never meet the owners of CC and hopefully one day, they will find themselves in legal trouble for all the havic they have caused in our industry.
Mike
SCD deserves part of the blame for all of this. They happily partnered with a known enemy and put thousands of people in harms way. No credit should ever be given to anyone at SCD regarding CC's departure.
SCD, for the betterment of the hobby, please discontinue publishing your magazine.
You know, that's a very fair point. Had SCD done the right things years ago and not allowed them to advertise, CC would be a smaller company and there would be thousands of less forgeries in our hobby. I never thought about it from that perspective, but you are 100% correct!
thanks,
Mike
I agree. SCD sat back for 14 years and let them flood the market with shit. They deserve no credit and would only benefit the hobby by closing shop, which looks like it's going to happen anyway. If you think SCD is going to "join" the fight Mike, you're not thinking straight.
Plus, Coach's Corner is not giving out free catalogs. Check their website. They will mail you one $2.00! You know it's going to be a cheaply made paper catalog and not going to cost hardly any money. There actually going to profit sending out these damn catalogs now!!!
if they are charging $2.00 to mail the catalog than they have chosen to reproduce their current SCD layout (10-20 thin pages), fold it half and mail it. It will not be an expensive catalog like we see from the major auction houses.
They were not expecting to be thrown out of scd and now mailing thousands of catalogs to their existing database of customers will be expensive and rob them of new suckers (errrr clients). This new policy by SCD will hurt CC right in their pocketbooks.
I disagree with you. They state they will only mail out catalogs to previous bidders that paid one time only. I believe they will profit selling them for $2.00. Plus remember, they are saving probably at least $8,000 every time they put an ad out in SCD.
if they mail out 20,000 catalogs and the catalogs cost .24 each to print (they probibly cost more, I am in the printing industry) and the postage for standard rate mail is .26 each then it is costing them about $10,00.00 to mail to their existing clients (I think they claim to have more than 20,000 clients).
People may not be lining up to send their $2.00 in for a catalog.
Here is where they get hurt. SCD brings in new clients, mailing to your existing database brings in zero new clients. we all know after a while, a large percentage of their customers learn they were ripped off and leave.
over the long run the SCD boycott will hurt CC.
If they issue a cheap mailing (kind of like what Bricol Sports used to...and stopped), they could save money from advertising, especially if they target their "big buyers".
If they just send the catalog to their top buyers, the rest can use the web or pay for the catalog. Also, they have been in SCD over twenty years, not fourteen, so we are talking over twenty tears of this (expletive). I have also heard that they live the good life.
I don't believe you are a pyscho Mike, just doing what many wish we had the (expletive) to do...the soap opera which is AS THE COACH TURNS.
Mike, continue the great work here. We all need to work together to rid the industry of the garbage that floods it. But always make sure you are vigilant and careful. I've dealt with enough threats to always make me aware and to never rule anything out and to take any type of threat seriously no matter how passive they may seem. But at the same time never allow them to intimidate you. Keep up the great work here, Mike!!!!
It saddens me to see CC's most recent auction has ended and all the thousands of dollars they've just gained ripping people off. Browsing the listings, it's clear most of there items "93-98%" are fake. The total amount sold this month is close to a half a million. Rather quickly too, June 26, they be ready to flood are market with more rare pieces of shit!
Nice work, Tom, on giving us those "gross" numbers from the final bid prices on CCSA. But that could be a low number compared to past auctions. Did you see some of the low final bid prices on many of the vintage autograph items. A fake Babe Ruth autographed jersey (Lot 74) sold for a paltry $288.00. Numerous fake Babe Ruth cut autographs sold for under $400.00. A fake Ty Cobb autographed baseball (Lot 368) sold for a paltry $852.00. With those low final bid prices how much did they "gross" in previous months (and years) when their items were selling for much higher prices before everyone started to realize the crap that CCSA was putting up for auction. It truly is "gross." Ted Taylor and Jeff Stevens, who claim to be hobbyists and who also claim to have "lived and breathed the hobby for decades" should be ashamed of themselves for allowing that crap into the marketplace. Shame on all of you (Ted, Jeff, Scott and Lee).
Tom,
Thanks for doing the math. Wow! I had no idea they were pulling in half a million per auction. If you multiply this by 12 auctions a year they are grossing 6 million dollars a year. Kind of makes the whole argument of the costs of mailing catalogs not important.
What a shame the owners are getting so rich by ripping off consumers.
Shame shame!
They do 13 auctions a year as of two years ago, let's do some more math.
$500,000 (seems low for 4,000+ lots, but looking at those prices, WOW, holy low!) and you multiply that by a whole year and that's $6 million+ in sales.
Now multiply that by how many years they have been around (20 years, I believe, or close) and a VERY conservative number is $120,000,000 in sales. Worst part about it, all of it under the nose of SCD. Sound about right?
What time is tee off Nick? Should we invite Ted, Lee?
Christopher & Mike- Both you guys are 100% right, CC's are a bunch of goons! It seems like every week they have their own personal signing with Ty Cobb, Mike King Kelly and Cap Anson!
You guys are correct. If you add up all the lots for the auction that just ended, the grand total is $541,289.32. And that's a slow month for these crooks with you guys breathing down they're neck! Plus a dead economy!! It wasn't uncommon for Coach's Corner to profit over a million an auction several years ago. Ted, Jeff, Chris, Nick, Chuck, Scott, Lee and of course Mr. Malack---I hope you are all ashamed of yourselves.
Unfortunately, Tom, Coach's Corner has never been ashamed of themselves. They probably look at Mike's site as free publicity.
As far as CC's outrageous profits, I would be willing to bet that SCD received a portion of them as part of their deal. You won't find a bigger collection of scum in this hobby than at SCD or Coach's Corner. Two bad guys, one long and unforgivable relationship.
If coach's corner has grossed over $100,000,000 since their inception, I wonder if a lawyer or law firm could start a class action suit for all the people who have been ripped off during the last twenty years.
With law firms getting from 20 - 33 percent of the collection they could easily make $20,000,000. How great would that be?
If anyone wants to start a class action suit, please visit classactionconnect.com
I don't qualify as I have never purchased anything from CC.
I not eligible either as I have never bought anything...thank goodness.
...and you know who is pleased beyond belief? Well, the consignor...I'm sure the guy or gal who consigned that Joe Jackson and Frank Chance ball that fetched only $476, but do the math some more. How much of a buyers premium do they get and how much of a consigning fee? $6 million in sales and that's a GIGANTIC sum. Before CCSA worked out of this new web site, I think three times in one year they had a prices realized list that I printed out. I will add up those figures and see how much their sales were for those months...I think four years ago. Class action law suit, huh? Hmmmm...may have to look into that after I contact the D.A and the P.I.
when I analyzed and projected the numbers I based them on my belief that Coach's corner produced almost all the items internally.
If they truly have consigners then 60 - 70% of the gross sales go to the consigners. This would drastically reduce their profits as they still pay for advertising, salaries, and other cost of business like paying off the authenticators to certify this garbage.
So, if you feel they truly have consigners then my numbers are way too high and you need to back out 60-70% of the final price realized to determine their profit.
let's not kid yourself, the consigners are thug master forgers who are working with CC's. They basically ARE the consigners! I'm sure on paper they have bull shit front men's names to cover their asses. It's a big operation, believe me.
I agree with the above comments. Also, THE NEW JULY AUCTION IS UP AND RUNNING ON COACH'S CORNER! Be prepared to shell out maybe $300 for that autographed Christy Mathewson softball. Why does Coach's Corner appear to be the only auction company that sells signed softballs by rare baseball legends? Business as usual! They don't even skip a beat!
Saw the new auction up on C.C. There's a triple crown ball signed by 6 guys. Unbeliveable. Cobb, Foxx and Lajoie all signed in the same ink.
And another Mike "King" Kelly autograph. A Their usual 12-13 Babe Ruth autograph (cough..cough) items. A ton of Mickey Mantle junk, and I mean JUNK! You're damn right it's a huge operation. Not to mention a guitar signed (cough..cough) by three of the Beatles. It's enough to make me want to vomit.
Yep, and there's another Walter Johnson autographed baseball (one almost every month). Another Mel Ott autographed baseball. Wow, another Babe Ruth autographed jersey (the last one sold for a whopping $288.00). Consignors? Hahahahaha!
This is a great Blog! How much do you want to bet, that the next Coach auction will be loaded with Michael Jackson signed stuff? We are talking baseballs, bats, jerseys, guitars, photos, trading cards, index cards...unusual stuff.
Sad day, made sadder by those who want to profit off the tragedy by offering counterfeit items.
looking through the current crap they have up again makes me want to puke too. It really is mind blowing.
Mike, Great job you are doing. I was thinking we all are blaming C.C. and SCD for the fake stuff in C.C auctions which we should do but I'm thinking maybe the most blame should be Stat and Morales. They are the ones authenticating this crap that is in C.C auctions and allowing it to be passed off as real. C.C. defense is all they have to say is Stat and Morales is telling them it's real. Nobody seems to be putting any blame on the authenticators which to me should be 75% of the problem. I'm by NO means backing C.C. in any way.
Anonymous - thanks for a great post. You are 100% on the mark. Morales and Stat are scum just like Coach's Corner. They deserve to be pointed out and held responsible for their contributions for helping tons of fraudalent items find their way into our hobby. I will try to get more involved in exposing them too and demand that they stop these crimes.
thanks,
Like Dan mentioned above we are already seeing hundreds of Michael Jackson forgeries on Ebay and those that get removed will probably be put up for auction by Coach's Corner in addition to the ones sent to CC by their "consignors (what consignors?)." These lowlifes selling forgeries of Michael Jackson one day after he passed away make me want to throw up. I noticed, too, that the majority of those auctions are "1-Day" listings showing that these lowlifes are only looking for a quick buck. Those people have no conscience.
people need to realize that Sata, CC's and everybody else are in the same boat. THEY ARE ALL WORKING TOGETHER PEOPLE!!!! They are all ONE team!!
Someone posted it somewhere...STAT should stand for STop Authenticating Ted! Don't you love the fact that a man who strings together words for a living and worked for a Baseball Card company is an "expert"? Ever e-mail this guy? Him trying to tell you how he is an expert is amusing as his defense of his skills (lack of them) is that the other authenticators don't know what they are doing. Really Ted? Really? Everyone is in bed with each other...always have been, but SCD wants out of the bed...so what? The other remain in bed. They only get out of bed to tee off in the morning!!!!!
madoff gets 150 yrs, how much should coach's get? the person who said that coach likes this attention is insane. the consignors dont care, thats for sure. if those numbers are correct, why does coach keep doing what they are doing? they must feel some heat and they should be on an island or something with their riches. it all makes me sick.
Coach's Corner basically has no consignors! The dozen or so legit consignments they might get per auction has virtually zero impact on their business because it simply isn't a part of their model.
And it really is a simple model: Coach's Corner employs a handful of forgers. The items produced by the forgers are "submitted" for "authentication" to Stat or Morales, who are controlled if not owned wholly by CCSA. Since 99.9% of everything auctioned by CCSA is already owned by CCSA, they don't need to set record auction prices. In fact, they proudly tout themselves a buyer's auction. The balls, bats, gloves, scraps of paper, etc. used to create the autographed items are of such poor quality that profits are a given. Factor in the mandatory buyer's premium and you have a pretty nice business going.
^^^Couldn't have said it better myself!!
You need to update the blog so you can give us something to talk about. We are just twiddling our thumbs. Hey, Coach Auction ended Friday...GREAT PRICES AS ALWAYS! Bargains galore!
so sorry, i will try to write in a few days.
got to keep the fight going!
I agree...we are all waiting for our ruler, Mike, to give us a topic to discuss! $200 for a signed Babe Ruth jersey...but what appears to be an authentic oversized Mantle photo in their last auction almost brought $2,000!
That $2000 Mantle photo probably is causing alot of intestinal distress from the buyer at this point. I can see that newbie taking it to a show and trying to pawn it off on someone with any credibility. Once they see the Morales/STAT/CC cert, dealers or anyone with moderately good vision will instantly turn it away.
To be frank, I keep looking for the piece of cherry tree signed by George Washington to show up at CC. Maybe next auction.
For novelty sake, anyone remember getting a mailer from STAT saying they would authenticate any item bought through CC to "ensure authenticity"? You can stop laughing now...it was real.
I admit, I am a reformed purchaser of cards from CC. No more. Last item I bought was 1 PSA graded card (hard to believe, I know) for under $10.....$16 in mailing later, I learned my lesson. The method for shipping is the cheapest per their carrier and CC uses any box they can find laying around to ship. They get you however they can. Bad business for any buyer, legit product or not.
That $2,000 Mantle photo was legit. But you could have had a signed bat ($1800) and a signed jersey ($200) for the same price.
Did you see the new auction? There are 15 items with Babe Ruth's signature, a Jimmie Foxx signed glove, Lou Gehrig signed bat (NO SCAN AND IT'S ALREADY AT $100!), ANOTHER Babe Ruth signed jersey...WHY ARE PEOPLE BIDDING WITHOUT SEEING THE SCANS? I don't feel sorry for these fools anymore, but envy Coach's Corner's business model and their $$$$$.
I want to thank everyone here who have kept a low profile. You guys and christopher are starting to smarten up on who you were dealing with. Have a good one!
Lee, is that last comment by you "Okay'd by Lee for life?"
Last month a Babe Ruth autographed jersey sold for a whopping $207.00 on the Coach's Corner Auction Site. Yes, it is a forgery and one of the ugliest Babe Ruth forgeries you'll ever see...wait, hold the phones. I found an even uglier forgery Babe Ruth forgery in this month's (7/28/2009) Coach's Corner Auction Site. It is Lot number 775. Oh wait, CCSA has yet another fake Babe Ruth autographed jersey. That's three in three months. It is Lot number 79. Lee, do you have a secret autograph contract with "The Babe" to sign all of these jersey items? C'mon, Lee, you can tell us. We won't tell anyone....
I was just joking about the George Washington autograph in my last post.......Lee must have been reading my post because Lot #7 is a cut signature of George Washington himself in "vintage blue ink".....I didn't think they used Bic back then. And why do we see so many "cut" signatures of figures such as this? Wouldn't a full document prove to be a huge money maker? Or...maybe there was a George Washington groupie that ran beside his horse begging to have an index card signed and then thought it would make a pretty penny on consignment.
Ty Cobb also seems to be signing softballs again. I honestly thought he made a statement in SCD that he would no longer sign softballs because of the large amount of them showing up on CC. Maybe he can sign my 2009 All-Star game ball instead.
Christopher, your smart ass sarcastic comments are starting to really get on my nerves! I hope you don't make me tell Scott about them.
You have to love that Houdini signed softball. Lee and Scott must have summoned him on Halloween to sign it. Oh yes, and yet another Mike "King" Kelly cut autograph. And, of course, those three New York Yankee signed jersey items that are all ugly forgeries. And that fake Michael Jackson signed baseball. And the comical Lot 73. That Babe Ruth is one of the ugliest forgeries on the Coach's Corner auction site. I wonder if Scott and Lee buy Chris Morales a new microscope for Christmas every year.
Lee, on a serious note, why do you, Scott, Ted and Jeff, allow this garbage to flood the marketplace? You know as well as I do the what you guys are doing. It sickens us all that you allow this crap to flood the market. You guys have no conscience.
We can't ignore the fact that Coach's Corner (like all of those low-lifes on Ebay) who are selling forgeries of Michael Jackson's autograph right after he passed away. You guys have no conscience.
Hey Lee.....might want to check out your lot #384. Seems Michael Jackson messed up while signing his own name......it's something we all do .....right? Adding extra letters and all. Of course, it's "guaranteed for life", so maybe you want to have him do another one for ya since he did diservice to such a "fine" guitar.
It might be worth more if it was an Elvis/Michael Jackson dual signed piece. Something to think about for future auctions.
An item I've been tracking Lee is the amount of Steve Kaufmann/Marc Chagal/Picasso/Miro pieces you sell. You must have found every "artist proof" limited to fifty and have an absolute idiot putting art on consignment through a sports auction. When you hit the "50" mark for artist proofs, I'll let you know so you can stop selling that particular piece.
To Whom it may Concern at Coach's Corner:
Have you checked your Better Business Bureau rating lately? A grade of "F" is as low as you can go. Congrats on receiving the lowest you can get!!!
Excuse me Christopher and Semi-Pro, keep your opinions to yourself! I showed Scott this slander you've been writing on here and he looked upset. I hope his anger management classes work for your sake.
What's in a name? I went to a show VERY recently and asked a few of the well-known autograph dealers to give opinions on items authenticated by STAT, Morales, Strike Zone Sports, etc. Response was,in kinder terms, "Wouldn't touch it".
I presented an item, from CC that had one of the above mentioned authenticators certs, for authentication by a reputable authentication service. It was instantly returned by the authenticator, and the word was, "it is not representative of that person's autograph....save your $40". I showed them the cert from an above mentioned authenticator and they just laughed and offered condolences.
So, I will save the piece of worthless paper as proof of forgery.
CC used to send out papers that said "this item is guaranteed to be authentic".....now they send out papers that say,"to the best of my knowledge, the item is authentic". So, why the change?
I believe I can show you why the change. Look at CC lot #9....now compare it to lots 14, 25, and 259. Each signature it not just a little different...but alot. Look at lot #5....now compare it to lots 234, 399, and 770. Each is not just a little different, but alot. Questionability. Let your eye be your guide. You can also check them against other sites such as www.historyforsale.com
Look at the shiny, white balls in lots # 9 and 5 and the "eye-popping" signature color. Why would someone who could make tens of thousands of dollars settle for pennies on the dollar for such a perfect shape item? Questionability from the consignor. Might be nice to know who the consignor is, huh? Something that white and nice must have been kept in archival glass from day one, without human touch in any way, and no light from a source greater than 4W. Questionability. Now how to solve this.....have someone like JSA or PSA to offer authentication prior to sale....you know...a source that has NO ties to your business in any way...you know...an unbiased party. No authentication company is error-free, but many are unbiased.
Think about it. You're getting charged on your credit card by CC anyway. So, if you're going to spend $2000 on a baseball, why not have a hold put on the charge until it passes authentication by a third party? CC could send the ball off to JSA or PSA (your choice)with address shipment to you if it passes authentication...or address shipment back to them if it fails. If it passes, you would be charged for the third party assessment and the item via CC and CC would never touch the ball again as it was shipped to you. If it failed authentication, the consigner would be charged the fees. Good for all. Keeps the bad stuff we see from polluting the hobby...and protects the investor/collector from being charged a huge sum for something that is not independently judged as being junk.
Sound like a good idea? What else?
case in point, there is a website that has old vintage sporting equipment for sale. (cc is probably their biggest customer) they have this set of dempsey boxing gloves listed in their SOLD section.
http://www.antiquemystique.com/pages/4418_jpg.htm
cc lot 404
http://www.myccsa.com/Lot.aspx?LotID=165804
coincidence?????
it's not dempsey's signature either, he did sign a square J in Jack, but only very early as a young man, all his newer signatures have a long looping J in jack. this one has an inscription Don't they all?) dated 1979, very convenient, but in 79 he didnt square off the J in Jack he only signed like that in the 1920's or earlier.
but what do i know, i only have my own heavyweight autograph reference website, i am sure the fine men over at cc and stat know what they are doing? good guys in the white hats? maybe they meant white coats that tie in the back?
t.r.
Ahh, the start of another tough work week.
5am...workout & light swim and relax at the clubs hot tub
7am...grand breakfast at Pond Pancake House
8am...stop by the office and start work week
1130am...get ready for company lunch meeting
noon...arrive at lunch meeting
130pm...call up Robin and have her meet me and home.
145pm...arrive home to my $800,000 estate and shower
200pm..surf direct tv and the internet
230pm...spending some alone time with Robin
600pm...take Robin for some dinner & wine in my 2008 Mercedes SLR Roadster.
800pm...go see an enjoyable movie with Robin
1030pm...have Robin put me to sleep with one of her famous massages!
Repeat something similar Tues-Thurs. Friday is sleep in/Golf day!!
Have Travis, how's your schedule this week look?
On the present (August 2009) Coach's Corner auction site are sixteen (16) Tiger Woods signed items. ALL 16 are FORGERIES.....
Lee.....
forgot in your schedule to go buy a shovel to dig yourself out of that line of bull.
Also....you didn't mention the weekends where you might be selling those "real" purses on the side of the road. You could also attest that "as far as I know, they are real".
Noticed you didn't respond to my idea of having a real authenticator, without ties in any way to your company, to authenticate higher dollar and highly questionable items. Looking at other blogs, seems you've responded that PSA and JSA can't be trusted as they turn away your items. Wonder why? Hmmmmm.
Have a nice one. Checked the BBB and you still have a business rating grade of "F". That is a fact. :)
You hacks are right, I was incorrect this morning. My condo is probably worth closer to $830,00 and I'm not going to the movies after all. Plans got changed to some shopping, then a late dinner. Business is doing quite well,regardless of your slander!
Scott & Ted say hello.
Lee....
"the first shall be last and the last shall be first" So, keep gloating about your man-pedi's, your starched undies, and salt-water pools.
Bad business always seems to bite you in the butt. It must be biting, because I've been told you've limited your mailings. Looks like you've made money your idol and that you've forgotten what it is to be a collector (if you ever were one).
A problem that may be rising is that you're not taking advise from collectors.....and you're so self-infatuated (by your own daily schedule admission)to take notice. I know you've heard that the customer is always right. Well, you're not listening to any of the past or potential future customers. We, as collectors, want legitimate and well authenticated autographs. The only legit sources as of now are on-card autos by mainstream card companies. (you might say that YOU don't trust the card companies for authentication). The autos you present, as we have stated, are VERY questionable. They match in very little ways to any representation to the real article, and have VERY questionable authentication that NO reputable company or auto seller would trust or even look at.
But that is just one item I personally have concern with. What really sicken me is the amount of filth you are now elevating in your auctions....and the descriptors of them at times. I guess that doesn't matter to you...the signers probably look forward to that part of their job. A sports "auction" website that dabbles in highly questionable autographs, graded in-the-garage cards, and hard core porn. Who'd come up with such a combo?
Must make you proud.
As of 8:30pm......you still have a grade of "F" by the Better Business Bureau. :)
Hack, I'm not going to debate you. I'm not going to do it! Unless you witness an autograph, there is no way anyone can 100% say it's authentic. It's only someones "opinion". Now if you'll excuse me I have to go to breakfast, attend my scheduled back massage from Rachel at my private health club and then go to another hard days work for a few hours.
PS..Business is still doing very well!
Lee,
If it is only someone's opinion on an autograph, then why do you claim absolute certainty on people that have been dead for decades? Guaranteed for life ring a bell? Hypocrisy.
I would love to debate you. Problem is, you have only talked of yourself. You never answer anything. Are you running for office?
I don't have to answer anything from you hack. I have better things to do with my time like go get something to eat at Biggie's with Ralph, Scott and Drew while we watch some plasmas. Then go do some blackjack at the casino for a few, which is what I headed out to do right now.
What are your plans for the night? Sit on the sofa and let the wife nag you to death because she fixed you a microwave dinner?
If you really want to debate someone, try Scott! I have a feeling though once you see him, you'll turn around and run away.
In other words, Lee, what you are saying is that all of that garbage "authenticated (and I use that word loosely)" by Stat Authentic and Chris "I Never Saw An Autograph I Didn't Like" Morales is just their "opinion" and nothing more than that. In other words, they really don't know. In other words, Lee, that Lot Number 332, a Lou Gehrig autographed bat "authenticated" by Morales is only his "opinion." So if it's only their "opinion" that the autographs items "authenticated" by them are real then why would you allow an autograph that you're not sure is real into the marketplace? Also, Lee, last month a Babe Ruth autographed jersey (what should be at least a $10,000 item) sold for only $207.00. How do you explain that?
I have a funny story for you guys. Last week I attended a fund raiser with different former athletes showing up signing autographs and posing for photos ect. Moose Skowron and others showed up. One of the gentlemen there happened to be Bobby Shantz. I met him and was talking about baseball of yesteryear and I remembered the quote he made on CC's website. I said "Mr.Shantz, if you ever want to sell any more of your collection, go somewhere other than Coach's Corner. They are ruining the hobby sir" He looked confused and said he didn't have a clue to what I was talking about. I guess CC's is now using peoples "quotes" to promote how great they are!
That's all i is is garbage, and Morales is crazy. he must be getting a nice check every month from cc to pass that junk. They are hiding behind the "opinion" defense. Well, that's not going to fly forever. Any regular person knows that there arent dozens of Ruth and Gehrig snow white balls signed in dark ink floating around every year to auction off. I am glad cc is getting into artwork like chagall, picasso, etc. Because the art world doesn't put up with this nonsense either, and in my hobby, boxing, if any dealer made such stupid overtures as to offer a bunch of obvious junk, even one time, they lose their reputation, but it is hard to lose what you don't have, isn't it Lee?
braggin about wealth=insecurity.
Lee,
One word title for your recent blogs.
OVERCOMPENSATION
We don't need to know what bran made you feel fuller or what exercise CD you recommend. Try to stay on topic. If you can't answer hobby questions or concerns, then just share your tentative schedule with your guy pals.
Christopher, I'm not going to debate you either. If you say an item is worth a grand and a collector is able to win it for $50, then obviously we are offering rare sports items to bidders at a great price. Why don't you actually do your homework before you open your fat mouth and you'll see we've won many awards in the past.
Now excuse me, but I'm late for my morning workout at my private gym. A nice big breakfast awaits me after I'm done. Tell me Christopher, what are you having this morning? A stale bagel? A half a bowel of corn flakes?
Wee,
Saw the lastest and greatest award from the Better Business Bureau...a big fat rating of "F".
Can you tell us who the little fellow is that used to be on the cover of the monthly mailouts. You know, the one that came waist high to Roger Clemens or any other athlete for that matter, and made the athletes look very uncomfortable with that standing on tiptoes going cheek to cheek pose. Is he a famous jockey?
Why don't you state "guaranteed forever" on any other autograph other than the ones that have PSA/DNA certs? If you feel comfortable enough to give your "opinion" on the Marshall Faulk authenticated by PSA (lot46), then why don't you feel comfortable enough to say that the rest of the autographs you auction are guaranteed for life too? Can't AFFORD to give that "opinion" can you!
Here's a good idea for PSA and JSA. Offer a free grading for the next 2 auctions to anyone who buys an autograph sold by CC. Can you imagine the amount of refunds??? And here's another...if any item has a Morales or STAT cert, then maybe it could be submitted for authentication by both PSA and JSA for two "opinions" prior to being returned for a refund. There would be a run for Immodium in Souderton.
With the amount of porn in the CC mailer, maybe there should be a section titled, "Crotch's Corner".
Get rid of the porn, get rid of the HIGHLY questionable autographs, and the cards graded by someone in their garage. Imagine the savings by just sending out a postcard with what's left. Think of it, you could be going green and helping to save the environment.
Hack, You make little sense as always. It doesn't matter what "grade" you assign us. We have rows of plaques in the office to prove our success. Maybe you should take up these debates with Scott-If you're man enough! I drive a Mercedes SLR with 9,000 miles on it. Tell me Hack, what kind of car do you drive?
Lee, all you do is write about your possessions. You've proved our point...
Lee,
Once again....it is the BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU that assigns you an "F". You get an "F" for being the worst you can be as a business. Congrats.
Do your plaques come "Guaranteed for life by Lee". When you give yourself plaques it doesn't count...so if they come from SCD before you got booted...I mean "left"..might want to rethink your bragging.
You, as always do not respond to the hobby questions and concerns, but state to all your OVERCOMPENSATION.
You have been weighed and measured and found lacking.
Why are you guys playing into this guy claiming to be Lee. I would bet it's not Lee from C.C. just some guy pretenting to be. I wouldn't even respond to him.
Excuse me, but I have indeed answered questions thrown at us. The only ones who haven't are you. You still haven't answered what kind of cars you drive. Why not? Us leaving SCD was mutual. The publication was losing readership and we felt it was time to move on and they agreed. End of story!
You both are so ignorant. I'm still full from the steak dinner I had last night, but I do have to get a workout and some breakfast in me. Tell me Hack, what did you have for dinner last night? An old can of Pork & Beans?
Well, I get to sleep in on Friday and have a company golf outing later in the afternoon. I'll be out of town until Tuesday for some relaxing fun in the sun. What does your weekend look like Christopher?
Pulling weeds in the backyard? Holding your boyfriend's purse at the local mall while he goes on a shopping spree?
Mr. Anonymous, I am quite aware that "Lee" isn't Lee. But replying to "Lee" allows me to vent and throw out some facts.
I'm sorry to report to you Christopher, but I am the 'real Lee' I am also reporting that I will no longer be stooping down to your levels and will not comment on here again. All you morons do is slander our family business and falsely accuse us of wrong doings.
Did you think when you started this site that people wouldn't alert us to it right away? I am going to again give out my full contact information for anyone to use. Contact me if you have got any problems instead of typing junk on here instead.
Email me at contact@ccsa.comcastbiz.net or call 215-721-7255. Ask for Lee or Scott or leave a message. We'll get back to you when we get time.
For the final time - Lee Trythall
Slander your family business? Now that's funny. I love those Babe Ruth autographs that sell for under $300.00; especially a Babe Ruth autographed jersey that sells for $207.00. How about those 16 Tiger Woods autograph items that are ALL fakes. You're right, Lee, enough said.
First off, there is a zero percent chance that this is Lee. If you have ever received an e-mail in response to a question about an item (that in fact has sarcastic undertones), you will know that Lee does what he does for a living (peddling other people's fine goods) because he probably didn't get far with an education.
I will address this to Lee (because this site is fun and great work Ring Guy and Christopher)so how is it that I can basically guess every month what items you will have in your inventory and how many single signed Jimmie Foxx and Mel Ott baseballs do you have ready for next month? Is the under/over...5? How about Babe Ruth signed items? Under/over....14.5? Obama items....44? I saw someone else on the Game Used Forum play this game above with your inventory. I'm not taking credit for this.
After all, the guy above noted you would have a Michael Jackson signed ball, and low and behold, there it is! A beauty too!
Ah, nothing like getting a $30,000 Mel Ott single signed baseball for $1,000!
I emailed Lee 3 or 4 months ago and recieved the same kind of sarcastic comments to my questions. I didn't even respond back to him. Not worth it to me.
I just got Legendary Auctions catalog. There is a signed Michael Jackson ball in there, bidding starts at $1,000. What do you think the price difference will be between the two auction houses?
Thanks,
Mike
Mike A.,
Thanks for the info on the Legendary Auctions MJ ball. The difference from LA's and Coach's Corners MJ ball are the number of letters that are "added" to CC's autos....the PSA/JSA certs....and the needless searching through a mound of excrement and porn to find it.
Sorry that "Lee" said he won't respond anymore. Maybe he's too busy working on the HealthCare Reform bill and all of it's "truths".
In regards to the Michael Jackson signed balls in the last CCSA, lot 70, which they claim to have gotten "IN PERSON" and noted "Lee will guarantee it for life", sold for $420. The funnier one is the one that Lee got himself, lot 342 which sold for $114.
Hey Lee (if this you), LOVE the fact that you said: "Can you say investment?". And you wonder why we have so much intense hatrid for you guys. So Lee, you got this signed yourself, huh? Happy with that $114, or why didn't you consign it to a real auction house?
Your prices, again, as usual, AMUSING beyond belief! Can't wait to see how many more of these signed balls you got coming up.
Also, love the Houdini signed softball that brought a whopping $233. With great prices like that, I can see why you get all these consignments! LOL!
Lee...
Two thoughts for you. #1)Mike "King" Kelly #2) Twenty dollars. Put them together and that is what a "STAT" certified, professionally matted item sold for on your site. Shame.
Just like the HealthCare Reform Bill, people are waking up to the fodder that people are .....uh.... "consigning" on your site.
I haven't checked the new auction, but my guess is another Kelly, a couple dozen Mantles, a hundred Jeters, a Ty Cobb signed softball, and a mess of trimmed T206s with bad photos to hide the fact. Oh, yeah.....and a ton of porn to wade through.
Still rated an "F" on the Better Business Bureau's site I see.
I too believe that was the real Lee. I phoned Coach's Corner several weeks back and inquired about 2 lots. I asked the man some questions and got quick answers with the same sarcastic undertones. I asked who I was speaking to and the man said "Lee, why?" I just hung up on the A-hole!
Okay, the new Coach's Corner auction is up and running! Funnier than ever.
So they have another Michael Jackson signed baseball on it, also obtained IN PERSON.
http://www.myccsa.com/Lot.aspx?LotID=172101
The best part is the following: I've gotten Jackson on baseballs before and he always signs side panels.
But the $114, also an IN PERSON signature, was signed on the sweet spot!!!! So another lie.
Love all these IN PERSON signatures!
The latest autograph items up on CCSA are the worst ever. CCSA has hit a new low with their listing of hideous forgeries. Check out the Mickey Mantle forgeries; worse than ever. The Babe Ruth forgeries are pathetic. And, of course, for the ninth consecutive month the same Jimmie Foxx forgery on a bright white baseball. And we can't forget the fake Lou Gehrig autographed bat once again authenticated by Morales. And, of course, the usual high number of Barack Obama forgeries. Lee, we aren't going away....
Chris,
Maybe CC is desperate. They can't advertise in SCD anymore which means they can't grow their company auctions. Sure they can mail a piece of crap little catalog to their existing customer base, but I get the feeling their customers don't buy long term once they learn that CC items are all bogus. They didn't earn a "F" from the BBB for being good guys.
I love reading the auction descriptions and and the end they say "as an added bonus, Lee Guarentees it for LIFE!!!" LOL!
Collectors...
I think I figured out how CC can get all of those Michael Jackson autos and say they're guaranteed authentic. Remember a few yeas ago that the Browns had a wide receiver named Michael Jackson. Surely there is a few more Michaels out there that would attest to being a genuine MJ. Since NONE of the signatures match each other in any way, much less an authentic one, that could explain the authenticity issue.
Seems there is an overabundance of dead HOF's signing softballs these days. And.....how about the Shoeless Joe autos that are in an unusual quantity this CC auction. I remember an authentic Joe selling for $50,000 at a show 10 years ago. Guess some lucky winner will have one for under $300.
As usual...CC has a ton of porn. Typical and predictable.
Lee, I hope you bought plenty of popcorn this month.......
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